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	<title>Comments on: Fairy Tale Ending</title>
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	<description>Jeremiah on gay geek technocracy.</description>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
		<link>http://jeremiahlee.com/blog/2008/07/30/fairy-tale-ending/comment-page-1/#comment-42284</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing this.  My own journey from being a Christian to an agnostic was a bit longer and more convoluted, but like you, it wasn&#039;t primarily because of George Bush or hypocrites in the church.  Rather, it&#039;s because it no longer added up intellectually, and being a queer male (and a human being in general), I found that my faith was the source of too much self-condemnation.

Like you, I still respect religion as a metaphor.  In many ways, I still relate to the metaphors, as well as some of the key ethics of Christianity.  I dearly love my Christian family members and friends.  But when it comes to the things they believe, I can no longer defend the intellectually indefensible.

Cheers,

Bruce</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing this.  My own journey from being a Christian to an agnostic was a bit longer and more convoluted, but like you, it wasn&#8217;t primarily because of George Bush or hypocrites in the church.  Rather, it&#8217;s because it no longer added up intellectually, and being a queer male (and a human being in general), I found that my faith was the source of too much self-condemnation.</p>
<p>Like you, I still respect religion as a metaphor.  In many ways, I still relate to the metaphors, as well as some of the key ethics of Christianity.  I dearly love my Christian family members and friends.  But when it comes to the things they believe, I can no longer defend the intellectually indefensible.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Bruce</p>
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		<title>By: Laurie</title>
		<link>http://jeremiahlee.com/blog/2008/07/30/fairy-tale-ending/comment-page-1/#comment-42282</link>
		<dc:creator>Laurie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome to the world of rationality :-) I remember reading your coming-out post a couple of years ago and thinking it was a shame that you&#039;d managed to ditch one set of damaging social impositions but not the other.

I don&#039;t think homosexuality is incompatible with faith. I think faith is incompatible with rationality. One can be gay and irrational if one wants to be, but I&#039;m glad you picked rationality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome to the world of rationality :-) I remember reading your coming-out post a couple of years ago and thinking it was a shame that you&#8217;d managed to ditch one set of damaging social impositions but not the other.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think homosexuality is incompatible with faith. I think faith is incompatible with rationality. One can be gay and irrational if one wants to be, but I&#8217;m glad you picked rationality.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremiah</title>
		<link>http://jeremiahlee.com/blog/2008/07/30/fairy-tale-ending/comment-page-1/#comment-42280</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremiah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Bryan for the comment. I&#039;ll only add this:

When I was questioning (but still believing), I came to this scenario: If I had not been raised in a christian environment, how would I convince my hypothetical self to believe in christianity?

I struggled with this for weeks and I couldn&#039;t come up with anything compelling. That&#039;s when I knew I was being intellectually dishonest with myself, just as much as I had been when I denied my sexuality (also because of my religious upbringing).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Bryan for the comment. I&#8217;ll only add this:</p>
<p>When I was questioning (but still believing), I came to this scenario: If I had not been raised in a christian environment, how would I convince my hypothetical self to believe in christianity?</p>
<p>I struggled with this for weeks and I couldn&#8217;t come up with anything compelling. That&#8217;s when I knew I was being intellectually dishonest with myself, just as much as I had been when I denied my sexuality (also because of my religious upbringing).</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan</title>
		<link>http://jeremiahlee.com/blog/2008/07/30/fairy-tale-ending/comment-page-1/#comment-42279</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post Jeremiah.

I would however counter your claim that part of not believing in religion is the fact you can&#039;t defend it logically. That&#039;s the beauty and mystery of faith, you can&#039;t necessarily defend it logically, you just have to trust.

That&#039;s not to say that I even think the Bible is literal nor would I go so far to say it&#039;s all made up mythology. But what I would challenge is that even if the Bible is nothing more than made up stories, that doesn&#039;t disprove God or the existence of faith at least to me. The Bible is a tool, just like alot of other objects of faith.

If you&#039;re religious upbringing was one of literal Biblical interpretation, it&#039;s easy to see how as soon as that is shaken, it destroys any hope of belief. I guess since I never had that type of upbringing, it&#039;s easier for me to accept that they are stories, but that doesn&#039;t make my belief in God any less real.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post Jeremiah.</p>
<p>I would however counter your claim that part of not believing in religion is the fact you can&#8217;t defend it logically. That&#8217;s the beauty and mystery of faith, you can&#8217;t necessarily defend it logically, you just have to trust.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not to say that I even think the Bible is literal nor would I go so far to say it&#8217;s all made up mythology. But what I would challenge is that even if the Bible is nothing more than made up stories, that doesn&#8217;t disprove God or the existence of faith at least to me. The Bible is a tool, just like alot of other objects of faith.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re religious upbringing was one of literal Biblical interpretation, it&#8217;s easy to see how as soon as that is shaken, it destroys any hope of belief. I guess since I never had that type of upbringing, it&#8217;s easier for me to accept that they are stories, but that doesn&#8217;t make my belief in God any less real.</p>
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